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Countdown until 2012-13 UDT???
It's more about someone actually taking the time to make it.Countdown until 2012-13 UDT???
T-minus 21 days ish... best of luck!Countdown until 2012-13 UDT???
Congrats that's awesome!!!Hey guys hope everyone is well,
My stats: 3.42, 3.2. And 25O
Interviewed: LMU-DCOM, Pikeville, and ATSU-Soma
Waitlisted : pikeville
Accepted : LMU-DCOM
Awaiting answer: ATSU
Countdown until 2012-13 UDT???
okay maybe im not the biggest underdog. But my stats will probably blow your mind.
sciGPA: 3.1? ish?
cGPA: 3.4? ish? Double major.
My premed courses? Got all A's in physics and calc, A in chem 2, B in biology 2, C in biology 1, C in both Orgos, C in chem 1, C+ in chem labs. Lmao don't even get me started on my systemic physiology courses.
MCAT: 1st time- 20 lol oops
2nd time- 24. Hey, I improved.
Got every single primary back. Sent out half the secondaries. Interviewed at two places so far, but decided to accept at KCUMB - one of the best medical schools out there.
If I can do it, while partying my weekends away with my best friends and having the time of my life at concerts, you can too. It just takes one thing: learn to learn from your experiences. Everything that I am now and who I have become comes from being humble about things one has achieved, and even things one has been denied.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is UDT?
hey guys!
okay maybe im not the biggest underdog. But my stats will probably blow your mind.
sciGPA: 3.1? ish?
cGPA: 3.4? ish? Double major.
My premed courses? Got all A's in physics and calc, A in chem 2, B in biology 2, C in biology 1, C in both Orgos, C in chem 1, C+ in chem labs. Lmao don't even get me started on my systemic physiology courses.
MCAT: 1st time- 20 lol oops
2nd time- 24. Hey, I improved.
Got every single primary back. Sent out half the secondaries. Interviewed at two places so far, but decided to accept at KCUMB - one of the best medical schools out there.
DON'T LET ANYONE EVER TELL YOU THAT YOUR STATS WONT PULL YOU THROUGH.
The important things to remember:
1. LOVE what you do
2. LOVE who you've become and SHOW IT IN YOUR APPLICATION
3. SHARE your experiences. NOTHING comes close to a stellar GPA like an honest, experienced, well-rounded person.
4. BE PASSIONATE. ALWAYS. especially in your interviews.
5. EXPAND YOUR HORIZONS. I ended up getting an accelerated master's in sports medicine. Best decision ever? Who cares how long it takes to get to medical school. Just keep chugging. I promise it will be more worth it for you in the end than for Joe-Shmoe who got in first time around with his 34 MCAT score.
If I can do it, while partying my weekends away with my best friends and having the time of my life at concerts, you can too. It just takes one thing: learn to learn from your experiences. Everything that I am now and who I have become comes from being humble about things one has achieved, and even things one has been denied.
It's us, the underdogs, that are the ones who will make those "awesome" doctors that kids talk about, that parents talk about, that communities talk about. It's us. Because we have not only the drive, but the passion, courage, and respect that comes from watching everyone else get ahead of us while we toil under the sun to become half of what they are.
And eventually, we become four times what they ever will be.
Under dog thread
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DustyVCU 3.33c 3.29s 20, 26 on retake = interview at UTHSC next week!
Strong work. I really loved these parts. How do you not even know your GPA?!
Whoever reads this, please don't get mad he got an acceptance and you're still dying for one. This is now how "underdogs" should act.
Anyone know if the statistics posted on the first page are updated or not?
tenndoc. 3.44 cGPA/3.29 sGPA/27O (9,9,9)They are about 95% up to date. Some people just posted their stats and forgot about the thread, so I'm not sure if they got in or not. But I have tried to keep it updated for most people who have gotten back to me.
How about this as the general applicant formula:
cGPA * 10 + sGPA *10 + MCAT = applicant score
3.43 * 10 + 3.33 * 10 + 25.66 = 93.3 average applicant
3.49 * 10 + 3.41 * 10 + 26.48 = 95.5 average matriculant
This is based on the observation that osteopathic schools seem be more holistic when evaluating applicants and a little less concerned with numbers, specifically MCAT scores, than their allopathic counterparts. This is shown by the larger percentile difference in MCAT scores (26.5 vs. 31.1) than GPA (3.49 vs. 3.67) It places equal weighting between science GPA, cumulative GPA and MCAT score.
The following modification will be made to account for students who have a graduate degree in the natural sciences or have done a postbacc with 24 or more credit hours completed (one year full time) to account for the weighting of recent coursework in returning students.
(cGPA + grad cGPA) * 5 + (sGPA + grad sGPA)*5 + MCAT = graduate student applicant score
(cGPA + postbacc cGPA) * 5 + (sGPA + postbacc sGPA)*5 + MCAT = post bacc student applicant score
To determine the criteria for an underdog we can utilize the 10th /90th percentile rule from the MSAR and apply it as +/- 1 std deviation, or the 16th / 84th percentile to keep the calculations simple. So the true underdog would have at least one of the three academic categories below the 16th percentile with the other two average or below as well. By using the cGPAas the statistical outlier, and probably the most common one for successful underdogs, we come up with the following score for an underdog:
(3.49 - .26) * 10 + 3.41 * 10 + 26.48 = 92.9 underdog threshold
(3.49 - .26) * 10 + (3.41 - .30) * 10 + (26.48 - 3.14) = 86.7 long shot
However, outliers cause issues. A 3.6 cGPA, 3.5 sGPA with an 22 on the MCAT will be a underdog, but according to a simple formula it will compute as a competitive score. To combat this we will add several modifiers to compensate for people with unbalanced stats.
-1 point MCAT overall 24
-2 points MCAT overall 23
-3 points MCAT overall 22
-1.5 points Every section on the MCAT that scores a 7
-3 points Every section on the MCAT that scores a 6
-1 point cGPA 3.00-3.19
-3 points cGPA 2.85 - 2.99
-5 points cGPA 2.75 - 2.84
-1 point sGPA 3.00-3.09
-3 points sGPA 2.85 - 2.99
-5 points sGPA 2.75 - 2.84
Additional factors:
MCAT overall scores < 22 will be screened out by nearly every school and will not be rated
MCAT sectional scores < 6 will be screened out by nearly every school and will not be rated
cGPA or sGPA < 2.75 will be screened out by nearly every school and will not be rated
Finally, there is a large difference in the admission statistics between osteopathic schools, DMU has an average matriculant score over 100 while Pikeville is around 91. So a 3.2/3.1 with a 24 MCAT may be a big problem at one school and just fine at another.
So I have a question for DJack or anyone else who remembers the old underdogs thread. On DJack's initial post, he mentions an underdog formula of sGPA*10 + MCAT/2. I was just wondering why MCAT is divided by two. This would seem to decrease the weight that the MCAT has in the admissions process. I keep hearing that it's better to have a high MCAT and a lower GPA than a higher GPA and lower MCAT. I'm not ripping on the formula, I am just curious as to how it was chosen.
I don't remember how it was formed- someone on the old thread wanted a way to quantify everything. I'm personally not a fan of it, but I posted it as some members were asking for it.
Thanks man, appreciate it.Strong work. I really loved these parts. How do you not even know your GPA?!
Whoever reads this, please don't get mad he got an acceptance and you're still dying for one. This is now how "underdogs" should act.
EC's are what make the applicant, so yes you're right. But I'm not equating underdog status with social lives. Just giving those kids who were like me some hope.Yeah, I agree. Equating being social with underdog stats is a little ridiculous. I'm sure there are a lot of applicants with non underdog stats that had social lives. Probably most, since EC's are a big part of the equation.
I think it was meant to convey that you seem to almost be "mocking" the admissions process that majority of people on this thread are trying to over come by working hard and being persistent.EC's are what make the applicant, so yes you're right. But I'm not equating underdog status with social lives. Just giving those kids who were like me some hope.
26+ mcat and you have a great shot, but your AAMC average should not give you too much comfort since I was told that the real test is much harder than AAMC.Hello, this is the first time I felt comfortable enough to post on SDN. I have been reading for a long time, though.
I am taking my 2nd MCAT in 2 weeks (send me good vibes!) My average on the practice AAMC tests is a 26.8...I am crossing my fingers that will turn into a 27 on the real test! 8P, 10V and 8B
I am a Psychology Major and Bio Minor. My cGPA is a 3.59 and my sGPA is 3.31. My University awarded me with an Academic Achievement award through my department (psychology). I did research on Children's Memory for 2 years and presented a poster at a research symposium. I have tutored Introductory Chemistry and Organic Chemistry. Worked with children diagnosed with Autism for 3 years and I am a certified respite provider. For the past year, I have been working with elementary and school aged children helping them plan for college and giving high school students guidance on how to prepare for medical school. I have been volunteering at a literacy council when I have time. I have shadowed 4 doctors. 3 DOs one MD, one DO is definitely writing a great letter in my behalf. I was also an officer for a college club for a year and am part of other clubs in my university. I have worked throughout my college career, this is the first year I have only held one job!
I immigrated from Latin America when I was 12 years old and English is my second language (I am an American citizen)
So, from underdog to underdogs...what are my chances? Do you think I have a decent chance getting into a decent D.O. school?
I scored 5 points lower on the real thing than my average. Must have just been a fluke though. Just kill it and in the month off you should get your app all ready (write your PS, ECs, etc)
Latin American makes you URM. If you get upper 20s you should even have a chance at MD. Good luck. Your ECs look great and your GPA for D.O is pretty good. Just focus on that MCAT and apply early.Hello, this is the first time I felt comfortable enough to post on SDN. I have been reading for a long time, though.
I am taking my 2nd MCAT in 2 weeks (send me good vibes!) My average on the practice AAMC tests is a 26.8...I am crossing my fingers that will turn into a 27 on the real test! 8P, 10V and 8B
I am a Psychology Major and Bio Minor. My cGPA is a 3.59 and my sGPA is 3.31. My University awarded me with an Academic Achievement award through my department (psychology). I did research on Children's Memory for 2 years and presented a poster at a research symposium. I have tutored Introductory Chemistry and Organic Chemistry. Worked with children diagnosed with Autism for 3 years and I am a certified respite provider. For the past year, I have been working with elementary and school aged children helping them plan for college and giving high school students guidance on how to prepare for medical school. I have been volunteering at a literacy council when I have time. I have shadowed 4 doctors. 3 DOs one MD, one DO is definitely writing a great letter in my behalf. I was also an officer for a college club for a year and am part of other clubs in my university. I have worked throughout my college career, this is the first year I have only held one job!
I immigrated from Latin America when I was 12 years old and English is my second language (I am an American citizen)
So, from underdog to underdogs...what are my chances? Do you think I have a decent chance getting into a decent D.O. school?
Did a few edits to the front page today.
Latin American makes you URM. If you get upper 20s you should even have a chance at MD. Good luck. Your ECs look great and your GPA for D.O is pretty good. Just focus on that MCAT and apply early.
I believe you have to be Mexican or mainland puerto rican descent to be considered urm. (in addition to AA or native American)
I believe you have to be Mexican or mainland puerto rican descent to be considered urm. (in addition to AA or native American)
I hate the urm
I would be happy to next week. We need to wait until AACOMAS is open anyway, and official GPA's can be calculated (per the instructions at the beginning of this fine thread).
Ahhh yes the almighty AACOMAS.... I'll happily be a contributor to the non-traditional and underdog threads for the next cycle. Good luck everyone, let's continue to rock the house in terms of non-trads and underdogs.Ahh yeah that makes a lot of sense. I guess I'm just really anxious to jump into application season already haha. Thank you for taking the initiative! I think I honestly would've just done it myself if no one else stepped up. I'll definitely do what I can to help though. Now we wait on AACOMAS...
my name is already on the front page but i never got around to posting here after getting accepted.
interviews: Touro NV, Touro NY and LMU-DCOM
Waitlist: Touro NY and LMU
Accepted: Touro NV
Whoever decides to create the new thread, really make sure you can commit to keeping it updated daily if possible. It is a large task, especially September-December. I am hoping for continued underdog success for next year!
Djack, I never meant to steal your thunder haha. If you'd be up to run the thread in the coming cycle again, that'd be awesome. Just figured it was quite some work to upkeep, wasn't sure how you felt.
Btw, I've been a lurker here for a while. I followed the Underdog thread for the entire previous cycle. You guys are an amazing and inspiring bunch. Let's beast it this next cycle underdogs!
DJack, are you retaking the MCAT like in May so you can reapply this next cycle? Keep truckin!
You have done a great job with that thread last cycle...I vote for you to start the one for the new cycle if you dont get in this cycle in LMU, but I am still rooting for to get in LMU.Steal my thunder? Haha I don't want it next year. Plus, I'm still waitlisted at LMU so I obv. wouldn't have time to run it if I got in. If I don't get in, I am retaking my MCAT and may be a part of the new thread. If you (or whoever else) want it, have at it! I won't be doing it next year.
You have done a great job with that thread last cycle...I vote for you to start the one for the new cycle if you dont get in this cycle in LMU, but I am still rooting for to get in LMU.